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CEP: England outraged by Scottish attempt to grab English territory
Monday, 11 Feb 2008 08:33
The members of the Campaign for an English Parliament will resist with might and main the attempt being made by the Scottish Nationalist Party to grab Berwick on Tweed which has been part of England since the 13th century - over 700 years- and make it part of Scotland.
Scottish Nationalist Member of the Scottish Parliament Chrstine Grahame supported by fellow SNP members is lodging a vote in the Scottish Parliament in support of this land-grab.
Already the Scottish Parliament has claimed rights over all English rivers such as the River Till in Northumberland which flow into the River Tweed, even though the Tweed is the boundary river between the two nations of England and Scotland and belongs to neither. And the Scottish Parliament has been able to move southwards the boundary between England and Scotland which till devolution has always run along the very centre of the Solway Firth. To date the United Kingdom Government with its Scottish Prime Minister and Scottish Chancellor of the Exchequer has done nothing to stop these successive land grabs.
"The Scots are stirring up a hornets' nest of real trouble within the United Kingdom with these policies. And we will take them on," stated Scilla Cullen, Chairman of the Campaign. "The people of England will not put up with any more of it. Already Wales has been given the English county of Monmouthshire and even a part of the city of Chester in what is the county of Cheshire. It is already intolerable that devolution for Scotland has granted it huge benefits denied to England such as free university education, free personal care for the elderly, free prescriptions, as much as £1500 more spent on each Scot per annum than on any person in England and access to cancer drugs not obtainable in England. What the Scots are doing is sowing the seeds of real anger and dissension within the Union. They are sowing the wind. If they try to grab Berwick, it will be the Union that will reap the whirwind'
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Monday, 11 February 2008
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Isn't it the people of Berwick themselves, with a large Scottish cultural awareness, who are merely looking at joining Scotland - given the better public services etc. offered them by Edinburgh? Put it to the people, not your dogma. While you ponder that, how about prompting the 600 or so ENGLISH MPs in Westminster to chase your parliament?
Oh - the history thing. Pretty sure it was a Scottish port, which - being too successful - was stolen by the English after one of the worst incidents of medieval genocide on record? Yes?
Large what? scottish cultural awareness? So what? That has nothing to do with trying to do what the nazis in world war two did. Yes, the nazis annexed various places to. It must be good to be acting like a nazi! Well, you people are good at that. Let us not forget the poor Orkney islanders ah? They are Norse. They were subjected to ohwhathisname?
Earl Robert Stewart
http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/historicalfigures/robertstewart/index.html
I note that youre acting just like he did. Some things never change. You people certainly aint changed!
And, seeing as you like to ponder, ponder this:
“Among the ethnic heritage of every Orcadian can now be counted English genes. Orcadians are descended from the very earliest English inhabitants of the British Isles, present in Orkney a century or more earlier than their invasion of England.”
Ha! ha! So we were in Orkney and our genes remain. I knew I loved Orkney for some reason. I thought it was because it wasnt scottish at first, but now I know it was also because it's earliest people were Anglo Saxons! There is a book called "The early English settlement of Orkney and Shetland". Ponder away ha! ha! Oh yeah I see that youve been around all the cep websites. So have I!
Berwick? Hmmm. -wick Sounds like an Anglo Saxon suffix to me and of course that's because IT IS an Anglo Saxon suffix. What did you say? It was a port? Wick means port ha! ha! Thanks for that. Aldwych tube station in London also means Old port!
What's the problem with leaving it to the people?
Scotland didn't annex Orkney. Simply territory with a rich cultural heritage in respect of Norway and Scotland! In fact, Orkney and Shetland both have a very distinct Scots dialect all of their own! It's still superb Scottish poetry, enjoying our Norse connections...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_De_Luca
Scotland has a wealth of unique cultural identities - often expressed linguistically - Gaelic has Irish and Norse flavours, Scots has Doric and Lallans.
Scots are nazis? Wow, is this really the face of CEP? ;o)
So what if there's Saxon blood in Orkney? Most Scots and Irish dwelled on the Atlantic coast for millenia while the Saxon's were little more than central European tribes kept in step by Rome.
As usual, a question is asked by someone and all your ilk can do is rattle on about some misty idea of English ownership over everything. Perhaps if you're so fixated on Nazism, you could draw parallels between English atrocities at Berwick and Nazi atrocities in French villages?
'Large what? scottish cultural awareness? So what? That has nothing to do with trying to do what the nazis in world war two did.'
Ehh, yes, you're right. In fact, that idiotic statement has little to do with anything, save your tiny mind.
Berwick - likely settled by Brythonic peoples [p-Celts], then Norse/Angles/Jutes [hence the name], then Scots after the victory at the battle Carnham?
Edward I did bucther the entire village though, and spared none - historical fact. Even as an Englishman, I'm up enough to admit it.
Yep - sack of Berwick happened. Terrible slaughter, much cited by chroniclers and a mark of the barbarity of Edward I.
As it happens, it should go to the people - but they will vote against.
And democracy wins!
I can understand the people of Berwick wanting at least the same better public services that Scotland has. But surely the answer is, as has been suggested, to get our MPs off their party backsides and start acting for the peole who delegated them to look after their interests, not those of a Scottish dominated executive.
In any case, does Brown & Co have the legal right to give away chunks of England without getting the consent of the people?
In case anybody missed it, have a look at ITV's Tonight programme on the Berwick issue. Good one!
www.itv.com/tonight
"Scotland didn't annex Orkney".
"[Orkney] was subsequently annexed to the Scottish in 1472, following the failed payment of a dowry agreement."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkney
"It's still superb Scottish poetry, enjoying our Norse connections..."
It isn't scottish poetry, it's Norse poetry.
Norse connections? Oh but I thought "scotland" was keltiq! The Norse have nothing to do with scotland.
Christine De Luca
"Her Shetland poems, written in the beautiful Scots of those islands - a blend of Old Scots and Norn..."
Norn is Germanic, scots or "Inglis" is an Anglo Saxon English dialect. Ha! ha!
Norn is an North Germanic language that was spoken on Shetland and Orkney. Together with Faroese, Icelandic and Norwegian it belongs to the West Scandinavian group. The islands were pawned to Scotland by Norway in the 15th century."
"...the language of the people of Orkney was a variant of Old Norse known as Norrœna, or Norn."
"Scots refers to English derived from Middle English spoken in parts of Scotland. In Scotland it is called Lowland Scots, or its contraction Lallans.
Scots is also spoken in parts of Northern Ireland and border areas of the Republic of Ireland, where it is known Ullans."
scotland has a wealth of unique cultural identities - often expressed linguistically - Gaelic has Irish and Norse flavours, Scots has Doric and Lallans.
So "scotland" isn't keltiq at all then? The Norse are more closely related to the English, they are not scottish. In language, customs or anything else.
So what if there's Saxon blood in Orkney?
Most Scots and Irish dwelled on the Atlantic coast for millenia while the Saxon's were little more than central European tribes kept in step by Rome.
Scots and irish? Really? The scotti were from the north of ireland. As for them "dwelling for thousands of years" well, that's a lie innit mate? They ran away from the Huns didnt they son?
Celtic residence in Europe began to unravel in the first centuries AD, with the expansion of Rome, the migrations of the Germans, and later the influx of an Asian immigrant population, the Huns. By the time Rome fell to Gothic invaders, the Celts had been pushed west and north, to England, Wales and Ireland and later to Scotland and the northern coast of France.
Little more than European tribes kept in step by Rome? Ha! ha!
Rubbish!
The Battle of the Teutoburg Forest took place in the year 9 A.D. when an alliance of Germanic tribes led by Arminius, the son of Segimer of the Cherusci, ambushed and destroyed three Roman legions led by Publius Quinctilius Varus.
The battle began a seven-year war which established the Rhine as the boundary of the Roman Empire for the next FOUR HUNDRED YEARS, until the decline of the Roman influence in the West. The Roman Empire made no further concerted attempts to conquer Germania beyond the Rhine.
As usual, a question is asked by someone and all your ilk can do is rattle on about some misty idea of English ownership over everything.
Oh stop lying. Nobody has said anything about England owning everything. As usual, you people can't take the truth oh and lord forbid it that the scots can be held up as wrong.
By the way, you people whining about Berwick and then implying that what happened to the Norse in the Orkneys isnt an issue highlights your double standards and hypocrisy very nicely. Thanks!
Perhaps if you're so fixated on Nazism, you could draw parallels between English atrocities at Berwick and Nazi atrocities in French villages?
Atrocities? Well what about the scottish "loyalists" in the American wars of independence? Loyal to whom? More like trouble makers.
Nobody mention the black and tans either ah ? Or this bloke!
SCOTTISH MAJOR DONALD MACLEOD OF SKYE:
Land grabber, 19th century
On leaving the Highlands for a new life in the newly opened wilderness of Australia, Macleod from Skye, caused the deaths of huge numbers of Aborigines when he annexed their land for sheep farming.
Atrocities against aborigines by the so-called Highland Brigade in Australia culminated in 1843 at Warrigal Creek. Many aboriginal men, women and children were killed.
Eric Richards, Professor of History at Flinders University, in Adelaide, said: "The likes of Macleod were ruthless. They came to Australia and thought they had the right to take over the land.
"They got rid of anyone who was in their way, making it extremely rough for the innocent Aboriginals."
Nice!!
Maybe you scots should not come onto our English sites screaming blue murder and pointing the finger at the English ah? You know when you point the finger three fingers point back at you dontcha?
Wow - you are one serious moron!
Newsflash matey! Orkney is SCOTTISH! Yes, unbelievable as it may seem - it entirely Scots! Sorry.
Now, and this is a belter, WHY are you assuming that I'm not aware of Scotland's genetic tapestry? My seven year old bairn knows that Scots, and its MANY dialects are of Germanic roots? What the hell is your point you air head?
Our P and Q Celtic roots i.e. spanning from the original inhabitants of these islands, gave us our borders. Our Dalriadan Gaelic speaking peoples lent their Scots name through the centuries to our new Scots tongue, from Jutan and even Brythonic!
Again - your point numbskull? Ever heard a Saxon warrior shout 'Oot!' Make the connection dim-wit.
And - again - you unbelievably slow witted person - one is not DENYING that the German tribes were amongst people who eventually pressed the indigenous people West and North. Hence the Arthurian legends against the invading 'Sassons'.
Do yourself a favour, if you purport to any kind of interest in the ancient people of these magical islands read Ossian or Taliesin. You'll enjoy I'm sure. ;o)
'By the way, you people whining about Berwick and then implying that what happened to the Norse in the Orkneys isnt an issue highlights your double standards and hypocrisy very nicely. Thanks!'
Eh? 15,000 people died in Berwick. The Norse people who settled and mingled with Scots on the Northern isles ultimately created that unique Scots flavour.
Are you aware of any equivalent slaughter on Orkney?
The Berwick point is that the people voted to go to Scotland. Why? Because of cultural links, a Scots population, and the better services in Scotland!
And WHY oh WHY do you see fit to spout what everyone ALREADY KNOWS monkey brain? Do you think anyone is as daft as you? Do you think anyone would claim that 'a Scot knows no evil'.
Atrocities in Canada, Australia etc. were committed by scores of different European peoples.
Again, your POINT is? What, you want to create a league table of atrocities to prove a point to what end?
You are, without a doubt, the most tiring moron I've ever had the misfortune to stumble upon! ;o) Mind, it raises a chuckle.
Here - go and have a wee sit down. Cup of tea. Nice book. Perhaps one of this lassies? She's good you know - seen her read in Edinburgh. And oh so Scottish. With magical peeps like this lassie, we'll be holding on to our beautiful Norn Scots for some time. :o) :o) :o) :o)
http://www.christinedeluca.co.uk/
"Her Shetland poems, written in the beautiful Scots of those islands - a blend of Old Scots and Norn - seemed to hanker for a simple and pure way of life which was marvellously evoked in image and sound .... They are poems with a sense of place, sympathy, commitment to language, the urge to celebrate life itself."
Douglas Lipton Dumfries & Galloway Standard
Alba, you forgot to refute my accusations. Unless of course you think calling me monkey brain, moron, dim wit, and airhead is giving an adequate reply. How old are you?
You said:
"Scotland didn't annex Orkney".
The research says:
"[Orkney] was annexed to the Scottish in 1472, following the failed payment of a dowry agreement."
It is on wikipedia and there are many other sources stating that the scottish DID annex the Orkneys. Oh yes, of course, they're all lies and you're right.
"For almost 1,000 years, the language of the people of Orkney was a variant of Old Norse known as Norrœna, or Norn."
Why are you lying?
"In 1564, Mary Queen of Scots gifted the Royal Estates in Orkney and Shetland to one Robert Stewart - her half-brother and natural son of James V. Thus began the tyranny of the Stewart line - traditionally hailed as Orkney's darkest years.
Robert Stewart's acquisition, and subsequent "handling" of the islands, was documented as followed:
"This scottish miscreant, having secured in addition the whole temporal estates of the bishopric by an excambion effected in 1568, and having become Earl of Orkney in 1581, spent the rest of his life in oppressing the islanders for his own personal advantage."
And childishly stating that "Atrocities in Canada, Australia etc. were committed by scores of different European peoples" DOES NOT get the jocks off the hook. It is called new scotland - Nova Scotia - for a reason. It isnt called that because the french invaded it. When will you people grow up and accept responsibility for your own actions?
Alba:
"you are one serious moron!"
Newsflash matey! Orkney is SCOTTISH! Yes, unbelievable as it may seem - it entirely Scots! Sorry.
Oh yeah, that must be why they have that huge NORSE celebration every year right? Ha! ha! That has nothing to do with being "scottish". Or maybe the Orcadians i've met were lying when they told me they were not scottish. Oh despite this, I am sure they'll agree with you and label themselves something theyre not. Not!
Everyone knows that they're not scots; they're norse. That is the reason the Western islanders see themselves as separate to. The Western isles were settled by the norse to!
alba:
"What the hell is your point you air head?"
"Our P and Q Celtic roots i.e. spanning from the original inhabitants of these islands, gave us our borders."
The "original inhabitants"? Oh you mean the beaker folk. They didnt speak "celtic" you liar. Why are you lying?
The Beaker folk WERE NOT celtic. Ha! ha! Another lie. When will you people stop lying?
Beaker People. About 2500 B.C. the first people settled in "Britain."
These newcomers have been called the Beaker People because of the shape of the pottery vessels which are so often found in their round barrow graves. The stocky newcomers, although few at first, seem to have quickly gotten the upper hand on their Neolithic landlords.
The Beaker folk were farmers and archers. They were also the first metalsmiths, working first in copper and gold, and later in the bronze which has given its name to this era.
They made their own pottery, and the first woven garments.
The Beaker Folk introduced a pastoral pattern to the agricultural lifestyle of Neolithic times. As population grew, more marginal land was brought into cultivation, and was farmed successfully for hundreds of years, until climate changes forced its abandonment. The Beaker Folk were a patriarchal society, and it is during the Bronze Age that the individual warrior-chief or king gained importance, contrasting with the community orientation of the Neolithic times.
Towards the end of the Bronze Age the climate changed drastically. According to tree ring evidence, a major volcanic eruption in Iceland may have caused a significant temperature drop in just one year. At this time the settlements on Dartmoor were abandoned, for example, and peat started to form in many places over what were once farms, houses, and their field systems. It seems likely that warfare and banditry erupted as the starving survivors fought over land that could no longer support them.
We've already mentioned the round barrows. They were often clustered in groups which suggest family cemeteries, sometimes very close to earlier Neolithic henges and monuments, as if taking advantage of sites already felt to be sacred. The barrow graves were generally filled with grave goods, indicating the importance of the dead person and a belief in some kind of afterlife. Some of the goods included in barrows were: pottery jars, golden buckles, bronze daggers, cups, necklaces, and sceptres in various stones and precious materials.
Many of the best barrow burials found today are the Iron Age or even Saxon/Norse type barrows rather than Bronze Age.
The other main area of Bronze Age focus was stone circles.
(Note: The terms "England", "Scotland", and "Wales" are used purely to indicate geographic location relative to modern boundaries - at this time period, these individual countries did not exist).
It was most of all as coming from the north and west that Alban knew the vikings and from Scandinavia and Ireland that they came. Their settlements were first of all established in the Orkneys and Shetlands, or Nordreys as the vikings called them, and were occupied at the beginning of the ninth century, and so too were the Sudreys, or Isle of man and Hebrides; these settlements were followed in the late 9th and 10th century by extensions of the colonies on to the adjacent mainland coast, especially into Caithness. And it will be seen that the history of the vikings in Scotland, the history of the northern and the western island-groups, namely that of the earldom of Orkney (this including the Shetlands) and that of the kingdom of the Sudreys and Man. There were other settlements -the vikings established themselves around the Solway Firth, on the north shore far into Galloway and in the south down the Cumbrian coast, while at an early date Norsemen colonized the coastal fringe of Argyll in the Dalriadic kingdom and the Kintyre peninsula. The name Galloway itself (in the Norse tongue Gaddgeddlar) being derived from this.
"Our Dalriadan Gaelic speaking peoples lent their Scots name through the centuries to our new Scots tongue, from Jutan and even Brythonic!"
"our new scots tongue"? Ha! ha! There is no new scots tongue. Oh you mean your new norn/inglis/latin/norman/low dutch/scots tongue? Don't you like to say that English is a mix of latin and french? Well scots is a mix to. Apply your rules to yourself to you hypocrite.
*The first language known to have been spoken in Scotland was Pictish.
*No one knows for certain whether this was a Celtic language or not.
*The Picts may have spoke "celtic" but that may've been the result of contact with Celtic peoples. A bit like Pakistanis speaking English.
Strathclyde was occupied by people speaking a celtic language.
south east Scotland was occupied by people speaking a Germanic language.
It was part of a Angle (English)Northumbrian kingdom including the Lothians. These were the descendants of the Angles who had settled in the north of England. The dialect spoken by the Angles later became infused with a large amount of Norse. This was brought in by Viking incursions and settlements in Northumbria. By 500 A.D. people from the north of ireland - the Scoti - had began to settle in Argyle. They spoke Gaelic another Celtic language, and they called their new kingdom Dalriada. By 900 A.D. the Scoti of Dalriada had ransacked the original Pictish inhabitants and formed the kingdom of Alba north of the Forth and Clyde. Shortly afterwards Strathclyde was also ransacked and became part of Alba.
In 970 A.D. part of the Northumbrian kingdom also became part of Alba.
One of the conditions to the annexation of the Northumbrian kingdom was that the Northumbrians were allowed to use their own language and laws.
After this a situation had emerged where the Royal household was only Scots in name. They too were speaking Inglis. At this time Inglis speakers called Gaelic Scotis.
Inglis gained in prestige and by 1290 A.D. Inglis had spread up the east coast to the Moray Firth and taken hold south of the Clyde. Only Galloway and the Highlands to the north and west remained Gaelic speaking.
After this, Inglis developed separately north and south of the English border.
Over the subsequent centuries, the vocabulary of "Scots" (really Inglis) has been adulterated with Dutch and Low Saxon loans, Norman, central French and latin.
"Again - your point numbskull? Ever heard a Saxon warrior shout 'Oot!' Make the connection dim-wit."
"Make the connection"? Stop waffling. An accent? What does that have to do with what i'm talking about? For your information, "oot" is what the English shouted at the Normans in 1066. What's your point? You dont seem to have a point.
"And - again - you unbelievably slow witted person - one is not DENYING that the German tribes were amongst people who eventually pressed the indigenous people West and North. Hence the Arthurian legends against the invading 'Sassons'."
I never stated that anyone was denying it.
"Do yourself a favour, if you purport to any kind of interest in the ancient people of these magical islands read Ossian or Taliesin. You'll enjoy I'm sure. ;o)"
How old are you?
'By the way, you people whining about Berwick and then implying that what happened to the Norse in the Orkneys isnt an issue highlights your double standards and hypocrisy very nicely. Thanks!'
Eh? 15,000 people died in Berwick. The Norse people who settled and mingled with Scots on the Northern isles ultimately created that unique Scots flavour.
Are you aware of any equivalent slaughter on Orkney?
Oh, so it's down to how many people were involved?
What a typically scottish answer to an irritating question. Jimmy said: "But I never did nothing, honest!"
"The Berwick point is that the people voted to go to Scotland. Why? Because of cultural links, a Scots population, and the better services in Scotland!"
"The people"? What people? 1,500 supposed people vote on some dodgy newspaper website. So what?
The whole thing is sham. I could have gone to a library in Berwick and voted. It would've looked like I was from Berwick. I could have gone to Berwick with a laptop and done the same thing. The whole thing is a joke.
"And WHY oh WHY do you see fit to spout what everyone ALREADY KNOWS monkey brain? Do you think anyone is as daft as you? Do you think anyone would claim that 'a Scot knows no evil'."
Atrocities in Canada, Australia etc. were committed by scores of different European peoples.
Alba:
"Again, your POINT is? What, you want to create a league table of atrocities to prove a point to what end?"
Stop trying to change the context of what was stated. You are not suceeding!
You and your mates tried to justify the stealing of Berwick by saying so and so killed so many people there...as if that is a reason for stealing Berwick. It isn't! It is like saying, well 1,000 years ago so and so did that so now I have the right to do this. If youre going to use that as a reason for stealing Berwick then the Orkney people (descended from Norse and Angles) can use it as a reason for getting their islands and oil back.
Alba:
"You are, without a doubt, the most tiring moron I've ever had the misfortune to stumble upon! ;o) Mind, it raises a chuckle."
Don't reply then.
"Here - go and have a wee sit down. Cup of tea. Nice book. Perhaps one of this lassies? She's good you know - seen her read in Edinburgh. And oh so Scottish. With magical peeps like this lassie, we'll be holding on to our beautiful Norn Scots for some time. :o) :o) :o) :o)"
"Norn scots"? Ha! ha! Scots derives from inglis and norn derives from norse. Oh, you can deny history if you like; it still doesn't mean you're right. By the way, nazis, fascists, and communists deny history to. I doubt many scots want to be associated with them. You obviously do.
Tha main dialects of scots? Ha! ha! ha! ha! Scots IS a dialect.
The main dialect of Scots are:
1) Southern Scots (S) along the Scots side of the border.
2) Central Scots (CS), subdivided into:
2a)South East Central (SEC).
2b)North East Central (NEC).
2c)West Central (WC).
2d)South West Central Scots (SWC).
2e)Ulster Scots (U) in the north of Ireland.
3)Northern Scots (NS), subdivided into:
3a)South Northern Scots (SN).
3b)Mid Northern Scots (MN).
3c)North Northern Scots (NN).
*Insular Scots (IS) in the Orkney and Shetland Islands.
*Urban Scots refers to the dialects of Scots spoken in and around towns and cities especially Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh and Glasgow. ("Around towns"? ha! ha!)
The Belfast dialect cannot be considered Scots.
Scots is the Germanic language, related to English, spoken in Lowland Scotland and Ulster, not the Celtic language Gaelic!
Online Scots Dictionary
Translate from Scots to English!
Found the following 'translations' for please:
Scots pronunciation
= please
Found the following 'translations' for shut:
Scots pronunciation
= shut
Found the following 'translations' for up:
= up
You are so desparate for scots to be a language; it isn't a language. Get over it.
Berwick should return to Scotland. A good kick in the teeth to our "friends" south of the border!
Scotland has had to suffer hundreds of years of English rule and gained nothing!
Oil, gas, steel & coal ... All gone to the English coffers.
As for the Government....Pah! Same sorts that sold Scotland down the river yonks ago!!
Heartwell said...
Berwick should return to Scotland. A good kick in the teeth to our "friends" south of the border!
Scotland has had to suffer hundreds of years of English rule and gained nothing!
Oil, gas, steel & coal ... All gone to the English coffers.
As for the Government....Pah! Same sorts that sold Scotland down the river yonks ago!!
07 March 2008 20:49
Oh not more waaaaaaaaaa! Waaaaaaaaaaa! Waaaaaaaaaaa! We scots are victims waaaaaaaaa!
Oh dear alba, I mean heartwell, I see you're still pushing your misinformation campaign! Why is that? Scared the whole world will see you jimmies in your true hypocritcal colours? You're are so small and weak! Really! Can you say two faced? Can you say EARL ROBERT STEWART?
Seeing you're so big on returning things, when is "bonny" scotland going to give the Orkneys and shetlands back? Yes, like ive already stated, scotland wont give back those particular isles because it'll mean bye bye half the oil and gas.
Which brings me to the main point. The only reason scotland wants Berwick is to steal more English gas and oil. Like I said, small and weak. Small! Weak! Small! Weak!!
AHA! HA SCOTSMAN GORDON BROWN'S SHITHOUSE "GOVT" SAID YOU CANT HAVE BERWICK! AHA! HA!
COME ON THEN ALBA I KNOW YOURE READING THIS.
What do you expect when we have Scotish Pigs in Westminster
I have just read all of the comments.
Pathetic !
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